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Ferrari addressed correlation but need improvement in “all the areas” – Binotto

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In the round-up: Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto says the team has made progress with its aerodynamic correlation but still has much work to do with its SF1000.

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Binotto was asked about the team’s progress following the Hungarian Grand Prix:

I think that the update we brought in Austria improved the correlation we’ve done at the track. I think that at the moment at least we addressed those points but the deficit in terms of performance is still there.

So we are lacking speed on the straight, we are lacking speed in cornering. I think that overall the car has to be improved in all the areas, it’s as simple as that.

Quotes: Dieter Rencken

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The Autodromo do Algarve definitely belongs on the F1 calendar, according to Miguel:

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  • 46 comments on “Ferrari addressed correlation but need improvement in “all the areas” – Binotto”

    1. Off point, but is it too late for pirelli to develop snow tyres !?

      1. Jockey Ewing
        25th July 2020, 3:27

        Pirelli Sottozero (same name for roadgoing snow tyres too) was used for some showruns some years before.
        I think as they consider postponing qualification due to downpour, then they would not race on a snowy track anyway.

        https://img.redbull.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1320,h_743,g_auto/f_auto,q_auto/legacy/rbx00498/445/gallery/images/8_getty_kitzbuhel_325441.jpg

      2. They got that one covered through global warming.

      3. Slicks with studs would work great!

    2. It looks like both Lewis and Todt agree on freedom of expression. Lewis don’t want to wear the same shirt, Todt didn’t expect every drivers doing the same gestures.

      But it would be far better if Todt set a clear time allocation to end racism at each race. Say fifteen minutes before national anthem.

      Let drivers doing what their own prefer gestures on their own prefer costumes and colours.

      1. Why should F1 allocate time to end of each race for racism only? Why not poverty that is universal irrespective of color? Did you know that 10 percent of the world’s population lived on less than $1.90 a day and that is by the way, a 2015 estimate. Things have not turned for the better in last 5 years.
        Why not global warming or climate change or deforestation? Why not water scarcity or marine pollution? Why not war crimes, disarmament and terrorism? Why not child labour? There are so many global issues. Are they any less important and shouldn’t time be allocated for each of these as well?

        1. GtisBetter (@)
          25th July 2020, 7:11

          Maybe because they made big noise about it and painted rainbows on all cars? Your comment is the same fallacy is see everywhere. If you can’t support everything, you should support nothing. That reasoning makes no sense.

          1. F1 already is supporting the things that’s relevant in the sport’s context – carbon emission and inclusion – and actionable strategies are put in place.

            1. Love how they support carbon emission being sponsored by Aramco

        2. @pinakghosh whataboutism is an ugly tool and closely associated with right-wing opinion.

          1. Asking a question is not whataboutism. Any rational and sane person in a democracy should be able to do so. And if the question asked is wrong, suitable answers are always available.
            Think about it: Don’t drivers do it in the cockpit with their strategists during the race?

            1. Talking about whataboutism; why do you ask the same question time and time again? What’s that all about?

            2. @pinakghosh your ‘asking a question’ (many questions actually) about other issues not highlighted by F1 is most definitely a blatant use of whataboutism.

              https://www.houston-today.com/opinion/whataboutism-the-epidemic-hidden-in-plain-sight/

            3. The way I see it, when there is no answer, use whataboutism to shut down the questions.
              And that’s exactly what you are doing @gardenfella72 instead of substantiating the logic for allocating 15 minutes of screentime for end racism when a perfectly good code of conduct to end modern slavery and a separate diversity and inclusion policy is already in place in F1. FYI, the diversity policy was brought in November 2019, much before the current debate around racism. These are specific actions instead of gestures for the camera.
              I would urge you to go through those policies (available on F1 website) instead of forming opinions based on opinion articles without any substantiating quotes that support the article.

            4. @pinakghosh F1 is a global brand and the TV feed reaches many millions more than a policy on a website, don’t you think? The fact that you think that taking a knee is just a ‘gesture for the camera’ shows your ignorance on the matter.

              No-one is asking for 15 minutes of screen time. It’s about a minute, maybe two of screen time plus another couple of minutes gathering the drivers together (off-camera) so your straw man argument falls apart right there.

              You do understand the difference between policy and action, right? A policy is merely words. I’m pretty sure the Minneapolis police have a policy of not killing unarmed people on the street and look what happened there.

            5. Have you even read the original post that talks about 15 minutes of screentime?

              And a policy is merely words! Take a step back and think about what you are saying.
              If tomorrow your employer terminates your contract or your school throws you out without explanation saying oh..employment/admission letter are merely words, I can do whatever I want and I want you gone. If tomorrow you car meets an accident and the insurance company says..oh..the policy is merely words, your claim will not be settled. If tomorrow a child is taken to a factory and worked for 12 hours straight and the owner says I can do whatever I want, cause law is just words.

              And don’t presume my ignorance unless you can substantiate it.

              And by the way you still have not answered why only racism and not other issues. Unless you have an answer, have a wonderful day @gardenfella72

          2. @gardenfella72 Btw, this whataboutism is more used as a controlling technique than anything. As if making a comparison to state a point were not a legitimate argument.

            1. @balue I think you need to take a look at how whataboutism is used and who is using it, especially when it is used as an argument against the anti-racism message. It’s the same sentiment as ‘all lives matter’.

            2. @gardenfella72 No it isn’t. It’s used to imply racism. Another controlling technique.

        3. @pinakghosh I actually agreed wholeheartedly on this. A platform for drivers to promote anything they are concerned of.

          Every drivers have a different background. Promoting twenty different issues on each races week would be better than telling them what shirt to wear and what gestures to make.

        4. Why not this, that, or everything? Above all, why not Formula1 motor racing?_ As a fan[atic], that’s why, over the last seventy years, I have traveled to nearly 300 GPs, and why now I pay to watch it on TV

      2. An assigned time during race weekends to show who’s with the program and to make it about some drivers preferred topic is the opposite of freedom.

        1. The drivers were given a time because the GPDA (all drivers) requested it. So where do you get ‘some drivers’ from? The debate is do they carry on with it (GPDA decision) and if they do will they get an organised event to attend.
          Internal debate about who or who doesn’t take a knee, and the difference of opinion between Grosjean and Vettel is an internal GPDA debate which we are not party to.

          1. As we saw and you well point out, even the initial demonstration revealed a split between drivers and whether this was a ‘internal GPDA debate which we are not party to’ has obviously no relevance to the point that it’s not freedom of expression to have a fixed time before races to continue an organized practice endlessly. When something becomes mandatory or expected and always with just a single topic it will become the opposite like I said.

    3. playstation361
      25th July 2020, 2:51

      Absolutely things need to change.

    4. Regarding the Haas formation lap penalty where the pitwall replied to a driver request to consider a tyre change was the reason for the penalty, I have just been reminded that Verstappen crashed on that lap and asked his team should he go to the pit-box, they replied “no, go to the grid”. Was this not assistance to the driver and therefore worthy of a penalty ?
      I don’t think any of the drivers received “assistance” but it should be one rule for all.

      1. @hohum Verstappen crashed on the pre-formation lap. As far as I know, the ‘driving unaided’ rule that caught out the Haas cars only applies to the actual formation lap.

        1. @keithedin, Right, thanks, I should always think twice before writing once.

          1. @hohum Was going to add though that had that been on the formation lap, well, aside from the fact that his day would have been done because the mechanics would have had zero time for a fix, but if it had been on the formation lap any radio comm would have been fine as it would have been in the name of safety. Haas deciding a drier weather tire would do was not in the name of safety but of strategy. I do wonder though if the conditions were worsening and they had communicated about wanting wetter weather tires, if they could have argued that that comm was meant in the name of safety and therefore they wouldn’t have been penalized.

          2. @hohum No worries. The Redbull mechanics are good, but think even they would’ve struggled to get that turned around before the grid lined up :)

    5. That BBC article about the Red Bull linked death with dropped charges is bizarre. Some great movie needs to be made about the Red Bull empire in the future…

      What a shame about CotA, I wonder if new scheduling with more relaxed “bubbles” will be the new normal. I’m hoping next year we can see some of these places get back on their feet.

    6. Does anyone know (Keith or Dieter?) with the additional circuits now added to the schedule, given it’s been a while since they’ve held, or never have held, a GP, has the race fee been drastically reduced? They seem to have been organised quite quickly, which makes me think F1 have made it a lot cheaper to run the event (especially given no ticket sales etc). Apologies if this has been answered already…

      1. good question would be interesting to know. i am guessing it probably has been reduced significantly, since a lot of these circuits are basically doing F1 a favour by accomodating a race at such short notice.

        1. And with no paying customers for revenue…..

    7. Wait a minute, didnt they say they had correlation problems when Alonso was with them?

      1. Kasim, yes, they did – it came about due to problems when they tried to upgrade their wind tunnel from 50% to 60% scale models, which seems to have introduced problems with the tunnel cross section being too small for the models and resulting in the side walls causing interference.

        That was why, for a period of time, Ferrari was hiring out the Toyota Motorsport Group facility in Cologne, which they used to develop new parts and as a means to calibrate their own wind tunnel.

        1. which seems to have introduced problems with the tunnel cross section being too small for the models and resulting in the side walls causing interference.

          Thanks anan for that insight; I did not know what caused the problems.

          Thinking about it: shouldn’t that wind tunnel with side wall interference be a perfect one for testing the Monaco set-up ;)

        2. That was why, for a period of time, Ferrari was hiring out the Toyota Motorsport Group facility in Cologne, which they used to develop new parts and as a means to calibrate their own wind tunnel.

          anon, absolutely spot on ! I remember that Ferrari were using Toyota wind tunnel in Cologne between 2012 and 2014 when their wind tunnel become obsolete and was shut down due to upgrade works. However, I always wondered why they continued to use it beyond 2014 when they have already their facility up and running.

          1. @tifoso1989 part of it was down to the extended period of calibration issues with their own wind tunnel, but part of it is that the TMG facilities are also excellent facilities – meaning it’s not uncommon for teams to supplement in-house wind tunnel testing with the TMG facilities anyway.

            The amount of outsourcing that goes on these days is less due to the tightening of wind tunnel development, but Toyota have had a fairly steady stream of work from F1 teams over the years who have used the TMG facility to either supplement their own facilities, undertake calibration testing or outsourcing work through third parties – Force India made particular use of that option in the past.

            Asides from Force India, McLaren have used TMG’s facilities quite a bit, particularly in the early 2010s. I believe Toyota, whilst not publicly naming all their clients, indicated that in the early 2010s as many as 8 teams on the grid had rented their wind tunnel out during the season – Ferrari was probably one of the heavier users due to the problems with their own wind tunnel, but they weren’t the only ones.

            As I understand it, there seems to have been a period where Ferrari also used Sauber’s wind tunnel for calibration and development work, splitting their work between TMG and Sauber whilst their own wind tunnel was temporarily shut down to try and get to the root of some of their issues. That was reportedly more around 2012, and seems to have also been in part because Sauber had cash flow issues – with Sauber offering Ferrari the use of their wind tunnel for calibration and development work, with Ferrari deducting the cost of hiring the wind tunnel from their engine fees in return.

          2. anon,
            Thanks again for the insight !

            1. Wow that’s pretty detailed. Didnt know that many f1 teams had used it

    8. I lived near the Portimao circuit for a fifteen years and went to many motoring events there and took an opportunity to drive around the circuit a few years ago and thought the track layout not really a top level F1 circuit but a much bigger problem was accommodation being so scarce around the circuit. With the current restrictions that problem falls away as many team members will stay at the track and there will be no pressure on hotel accommodation if it is needed.

      A race with the full F1 circus and fans would be horrendous with poor access roads and if tourism is in full flight (from April to October) accommodation would probably be miles of traffic jams from the circuit for most of them without friends with big villas nearby.

      I would prefer a return to Estoril. These days that has much easier access if fans are allowed in.

      1. layout is different, track is a bit small for f1 cars, small scale, busy, that said it has a sort of short, reverse eau rouge, a corner with a massive drop, can’t believe the fia gave that the go ahead and the last corner should have double the run off for f1 cars.

        1. It’s always seemed to me that if the FIA can approve Monaco for an F1 race they can approve anywhere for a race. I guess it’s just a matter of Liberty Media actually wanting a race somewhere; then it’s pretty sure to be rated for F1….. I’ve been to Road America in Elkhart Lake in the CART days and was just enthralled with the track and the speed; truly a magnificent circuit but … yep, not suitable for F1. I also attended the inaugural Detroit GP on a track that was FIA approved – what a joke. Or Dallas. Or Phoenix. Or Laguna Seca; nope, not good enough for F1 although CART, with (at the time) pretty similar speeds did so for many years. Ah well…. Unfortunately the interest level in the US of A for F1 in not even measurable except for the diehard fans, but that’s another topic.

    9. Correlation?

      I thought this was between Ferrari poor proformances this season, and them no longer burning oil, and ‘cheating’ their fuel sensors.

      This season also shows Ferrari without a plan B, no alternative power / performances strategies.

      We can only hope the changed regulations and budget caps next season, somehow leads to better performances.

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